Music Theory for Techno

  • Publicado el Hace 6 meses

    Underdog Electronic Music SchoolUnderdog Electronic Music School

    Have you ever wondered if music theory was relevant for techno? Well wonder no more!

    In this video we examine:
    1. How to apply classic music theory to the genre of techno
    2. What the role of dissonance and repetition is in techno
    3. How to get the right sound character for techno

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    Content:
    0:00 Introduction
    1:02 Rule 1: Use classic music theory
    1:49 Scales for Techno infographic
    2:11 Using chord progressions or intervals
    3:17 Rule 2: Embrace dissonance
    3:39 Ostinato insistence
    4:28 The harmonic architecture of a techno track
    5:11 3 strategies to make repetitive riffs
    6:38 Rule 3: Sound character
    7:38 DETUNE YOUR OSCILLATORS
    8:53 The techno toot
    9:38 The ML185 sequencer and Phoscyon
    11:16 Recap of the 3 rules

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Hace 6 meses
DaftFader
DaftFader

@DJ WRAITH I've used fl studio a bit before, and although only used logic once or twice it's not to dissimilar to the way cubase is layed out, and I'm at home with that. What u need help on?

Hace 5 meses
DJ WRAITH
DJ WRAITH

Do you do anything in Fl Studio or Logic? That is what I use for for school can you help please!

Hace 5 meses
Daniel Nitsch
Daniel Nitsch

@Underdog Electronic Music School my Brother is Born in Belgium. He is also dj-ing

Hace 5 meses
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

@Daniel Nitsch yep! Irish/Belgian actually 😊👍

Hace 5 meses
Daniel Nitsch
Daniel Nitsch

Are you from belgium?

Hace 5 meses
haykikos
haykikos

so Johnny sins teaches music now? 😁😏

Hace 17 horas
Andrew Pierce
Andrew Pierce

Awesome explanation of using the root note with a scale. Thanks for the great videos.

Hace 19 horas
Marc
Marc

This video, again, helped me alot as a bloody beginner that I am :) Thanks! Also, I would love to see the Paula Temple - Kralle video!

Hace un día
NeedleHair
NeedleHair

Repetition legitimizes.

Hace un día
James Jameson
James Jameson

Actually talking about real techno. Good.

Hace 5 días
Frederico Krumenauer
Frederico Krumenauer

One more guy here who wants to do some pounding techno like i hate models

Hace 6 días
Mohammed Magdy
Mohammed Magdy

7:32 العصفور اللي مطير العقول

Hace 8 días
Heber Molina
Heber Molina

No viruses, good brother

Hace 10 días
Busk The world
Busk The world

so basically, the music theory of techno is dissonance and NO THEORY .... PUNK IS NOT DEAD

Hace 11 días
Busk The world
Busk The world

@Underdog Electronic Music School Great, I like punk spirit. Take care

Hace 11 días
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

Hahaha, I definitely could name a bunch of techno artists I consider punk as hell. That's the kind of techno i love the most.

Hace 11 días
yourordinaryme
yourordinaryme

If anything I'd call it sound design theory, the whole point of techno is that you leave the complex musical tools behind and focus on the core amelodic sounds

Hace 13 días
Farid Kassam
Farid Kassam

love it 🐐

Hace 18 días
SK-8K
SK-8K

The Techno Union army... is at your disposal, Count.

Hace 20 días
Charles Brown
Charles Brown

Real music has no theory No written word No pre planned approach If u follow this theory your music will sound like everybody elses Use your own musical mind and make your music yours

Hace 20 días
ambientrax
ambientrax

Nice video man

Hace 22 días
Joris Boulet
Joris Boulet

+polyrhythyms, + humanize the track (not everything falls in perfect computer rhythym).

Hace 22 días
Jules Tielens
Jules Tielens

Techno is not music. Music needs to be played. Techno is kinderdarten.

Hace 22 días
DJ BamBamRuby
DJ BamBamRuby

Sounds great! Thanks for helping the community of music lovers and content creators!

Hace 23 días
DJ BamBamRuby
DJ BamBamRuby

im sorry i just had to point out for some minecrafters this might make them thing: "music theory for technoblade"

Hace 23 días
The Urbanite
The Urbanite

Thank you for the lesson, Im struggling to put my ideas down and im not sure how to start a melody ive been trying to use for almost 10 years now

Hace 24 días
Roger Amezquita
Roger Amezquita

Techno is so easy to make is like punk rock

Hace 25 días
Csik Miki
Csik Miki

Huge disappointment. I was hoping for a video about the theory of the fundamental origin of techno.

Hace 25 días
Hitman
Hitman

This let's techno look so easy "just press the random button" And sounded legit

Hace 27 días
Simon O'Halloran
Simon O'Halloran

This guy and Underdog is awesome. Clear instructions to make your sound killing it.

Hace 28 días
HistoriCity
HistoriCity

Dude your videos are great but as a fellow oldie with teen kids I can guarantee if you ditched the cliched ‘ooh! What am I thinking’ yt thumbnails you’d get a fudge ton more viewers. They are turned off by shit like that. They just think you are lazy and click baity instead of merely old

Hace 28 días
kanedNunable
kanedNunable

as a 46 year old i love how techno is going back to some of its root noises like the old hardcore bits you showed here. glorious.

Hace 29 días
kanedNunable
kanedNunable

@Underdog Electronic Music School just need to brush up on my music knowledge so I can start making my own bits now too. Making music oddly much harder than DJing with it eh who knew 🤣 kudos to you proper musicians.

Hace 29 días
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

😁 yessss

Hace 29 días
Kiki Lucena
Kiki Lucena

You really shouldve put more sound examples!!

Hace 29 días
Kiki Lucena
Kiki Lucena

in the beginning i mean

Hace 29 días
Beefy Beings
Beefy Beings

Great content! There's a lack of people talking deeply about electronic music (except for saying single words like: banger! belter! etc.). New subscriber!

Hace un mes
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

Cheers, appreciated :) :)

Hace un mes
aidan d
aidan d

Love the video it actually really helped !

Hace un mes
aidan d
aidan d

Do you/ can you do music theory in modern dubstep PLEASE !!

Hace un mes
Guttz Game
Guttz Game

In Spanish please :(

Hace un mes
Daniel Freeman
Daniel Freeman

Awesome video maybe consider downgrading microphones it sounds like ASMR and was difficult to listen to

Hace un mes
Balint Nogrady
Balint Nogrady

I Hate Models is garbage. Try Steve Stoll instead.

Hace un mes
Trabelsi Mouldi
Trabelsi Mouldi

johnny sins of music 😮

Hace un mes
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

👨‍🔧🍑

Hace un mes
Ritmick
Ritmick

Why not use major scale and make happy and positive techno music instead of evil and depressive? Producers should think much more how their music affect peoples emotions and mindset...

Hace un mes
Rick Suurd
Rick Suurd

Holy shit this guys mentions a whole lot of bullshit techno is a feeling the end

Hace un mes
samantha Lasso
samantha Lasso

Hace un mes
Dillon Yakub
Dillon Yakub

👍 👍 👍

Hace un mes
Cyril Coste
Cyril Coste

First mistake, Phrygrian is not a scale but a mode of the major scale. There's a big confusion here. You are right it sounds minor. So the second mistake you've made is to consider that major scale sounds necessary happy. You can sound minor using a major scale using the phrygian mode for example but not only. But it is nice to try to talk about music theory for electronic music. Thanks for this.

Hace un mes
umanoid
umanoid

Im always impressed by the depth and detail you go into for your tutorials. You explain things so clearly and break down many of the important details on things Ive never considered. This techno breakdown is great for explaining how to work in a very specific genre. Any chance you could do this type of breakdown for Dub or Dub techno?

Hace un mes
Gastón Ibarrola Heer
Gastón Ibarrola Heer

I've been thinking about getting deeper into techno techniques and this video suggestion came from the sky. Perfect. Subscribed

Hace un mes
mcedsonrunescape
mcedsonrunescape

now I just need a music theory explanation for GPF's songs...

Hace un mes
smkh
smkh

'Ostinato' is like being obstinate and sticking with it.

Hace un mes
Shamanbear Two
Shamanbear Two

Great video. But I had to chuckle at the comment that classical composers were into consonance when they taught their students dissonance right off the bat (species 2:1 counterpoint) and you then go on to teach your techno students to use ostinato and Phrygian which every classical composer used at some point. They just didn't have a Moog to run it through:))

Hace un mes
DJ Bryn Godby
DJ Bryn Godby

Old Skool House Mix https://youtu.be/7lWHsd1rjp8

Hace un mes
TheZoomjuice
TheZoomjuice

9:15 ahahahahahah

Hace un mes
daniel canty
daniel canty

Phyrgian is a mode tho…

Hace un mes
Hank Stars
 Hank Stars

I played drums on buckets as a child , sing and started piano around age seven and guitar , I was playing music many years before Giorgio Moroder and Patrick Cowley and Kraftwerk ,,understanding loving music very early , I did studio recordings on tape in the 80's and started synths in 1976 first loves were Gary Wright Dream Weaver and BeeGees Nights on Broadway ,,Love is alive ,,I understood music years before I bought my first Kawai synth for $100 and cried because I felt I had spent to much money selfish I had just gotten married and my wife said dont worry about it its ok ,,the next was a amazing Casio arranger ,,I have not made enough money in my life playing music around $300 , and ...If it were not for Guitar centers I could not have synths ,,there is so much more I have to learn ,,,the only way I enjoy making music is on electronic keyboard instruments now I have need of the sound and I like to play all my music and sing it my self ,,, arranger with synths gives me that ability I had thought of music theory for electronic music before my self ,,, I just watch other synth artist and learn from them ,, really I don't learn that much that I dont already have some understanding my self ,,, but anyway nice channel ,,,,my favorite electronic musician is Vince Clark ...Howard Jones ,,Patrick Cowley , ATB,,,and Cynic Project ... Loved In To The Night ,,, By Cynic Project still do ...Human Leauge ,..Pet Shop Boys ..but I am old I am 60 years old and live in the country back mountains ,,, I first heard electronic music in Detroit Mich in clubs I play banjo in blue grass band and on synths both but I dont play in bands any more I dont want to ...only by my self .

Hace un mes
LootFragg
LootFragg

Another thought: When you know how it works, you can recreate what you hear in your head and you're able to stray from the norm. You first need to know what the norm is. Can't break rules if you don't know what they are. I'm learning a fair bit of all kinds of music theory as I'm learning to play guitar. Earlier, when I heard a song that went for "really evil, super-edgy badass satan sound", I had no idea how that worked and when I tried to make progressions or melodies sound "evilbad edgelord wrong", they often just sounded "cringe wrong". Looking back at many popular songs, techno, rock, armed with knowledge makes you understand that very often people just stay within the norm and then bend it juuuust a little bit. Like adding a tritone that "doesn't belong". Like using a half-step where "there shouldn't be one". Like singing a "wrong" note at the high point, like making a melodic techno progression that borrows extensively from the harmonic minor scale (the one that sounds like Spanish guitar). The fucking counterpoint that's been used in organ music for centuries (playing an unchanging unrelenting bass note) is a common techno technique and it's just names for things you already kinda know. One of the best things to do in techno music is to play what I call the "hope chord" (IV). It sounds nice on every instrument but when you have a grizzly low bass synthesizer and a constant feeling of majestic power, switching to "oh wow the sun goes up" from a long part of repeating the "everything is dark" minor noise drives tears into the eyes of drug enhanced techno addicts like myself. So learn the basics and abuse that shit cause that's what it's there for!

Hace un mes
makeminea99
makeminea99

that RS7000 on the shelf!!! i miss that beast!

Hace un mes
TheTalantonX
TheTalantonX

Fantastic video that showed up randomly in my recommendations. Well, maybe not randomly - I listen to a fuckton of techno and watch a lot of music theory videos... Anyway, subscribed.

Hace un mes
High Frequency EDM
High Frequency EDM

Hard House, Hard Dance, EDM, House, Techno, Trance & Electronic Dance Music, Subscribe to "hIGH FREQUENCY EDM" https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC49xFDfuD2guA_hyBK1PCyg

Hace un mes
HeavyDevy-C
HeavyDevy-C

This was a great help. I used to listen to a lot of old school techno back in the day and can't find the artists I used to listen too lol. So I've been trying to emulate it the best I could from what I remember. At least I got the portamento right lol!

Hace un mes
GBIGBO zjebeezjeboo
GBIGBO zjebeezjeboo

Excellent !

Hace un mes
Dejan Hadron
Dejan Hadron

Thank you, regards from Zagreb Croatia :)

Hace un mes
Alex Vasheim
Alex Vasheim

Man you are like a mentor for me, I use fl studio but I can also apply all your videos with no problems

Hace un mes
Frankie B
Frankie B

Okay, so... I make filthy nasty bass lines. I realize that everything can't be covered in 12 mins but one VERY important thing to remember when plotting out "nasty" baselines is frequency. Familiarize yourself with what keys on the piano produce what frequency. Always check your spectrum EQ, and remember to make room for the kick and snare. But also, I don't think you mention automation, which is key for making a bass move (unless you rely solely on LFO's)

Hace un mes
ody vinty*
ody vinty*

This was surprisingly interesting and informative. Thanks for this.

Hace un mes
Kavokei
Kavokei

Thanking the benevolent gods of the algorithm for revealing to me the music theory secrets of techno. Via your channel, of course. Subbed

Hace un mes
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

💚⚡😇

Hace un mes
ozowizo
ozowizo

forget it. It’s about the soul, filters and effects.

Hace un mes
Sam Loan
Sam Loan

Remember, even classical musicians didn’t avoid dissonance. Adam Neely’s video on the myth of the tritone ban has some great musical examples of this.

Hace un mes
Ondřej Mrázek
Ondřej Mrázek

This is so...sciencific. Why not to just play notes, which sounds good? Music theory is just for people, who don´t hear music. It is making something good so boring, when making science from something entertaining.

Hace un mes
Arthur Postma
Arthur Postma

Or a 303…

Hace un mes
Alexander Galbory
Alexander Galbory

Remember, as Techno is technically easy, you will fail if you have no talent. Most people dont have talent, most techno artists are therefore really really bad.

Hace un mes
Alexandre Soma
Alexandre Soma

LOVED IT!

Hace un mes
Elijah Buras
Elijah Buras

Watched this twice, love it

Hace un mes
Creature Crosby
Creature Crosby

Maker of scary/tense movie music and ex techno dj here. Choose your root note than think INTERVALS, not scales, incorporating semitones (tense/evil) and likely the tritone (same). Example in C: C Db F Gb G.

Hace un mes
Von und zu
Von und zu

Theorie for EDM

Hace un mes
MONO
MONO

hehe...the first 6th of your video i waiting to write you a comment "hey this is not techno"...but like so often : I am wrong...-This ist Techno-...great job with the class...thx allot and greets from Berlin

Hace un mes
James
James

this needs way more views and recognition, your explanations are great cheers

Hace un mes
STP
STP

https://youtu.be/jXynyD0qvHI Awesome one sir!

Hace un mes
Chiah Huff
Chiah Huff

C Phrygian, I'm sorry, did you mean Ab Major?

Hace un mes
Jaspertine
Jaspertine

Interestingly, loop theory is a new and growing field of music study, where instead of looking at chord progressions and riffs as belonging to keys in the 18th century European sense, but rather looking at chords that move away from and then return to an anchor point. You don't need to fuss too much about what key everything is in so long as the last chord or riff in your loop smoothly transitions (or "resolves" if you will) back into the first chord or riff. That's not to say that classical music theory is useless, but a lot of modern music skirts around traditional tonality but still sounds entirely listenable because it's built on stable loops. (Adam Neely did a great video breaking down what key "Hey Joe" is in, and while the answer is pretty messy and ambiguous, that hasn't stopped many guitarists from easily soloing over the Hey Joe chord progression without sweating the details)

Hace un mes
finesserphd
finesserphd

jazz theory helps a lot with electronic production which most wouldn't expect

Hace 20 días
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

Great comment, totally agree :)

Hace un mes
stephen Bridges
stephen Bridges

Ngl you look like the default character in RuneScape

Hace un mes
the kneebreaker
the kneebreaker

Music theory for techno is simple, think of a great song, then don't make it!

Hace un mes
Ramxes
Ramxes

this should be a class

Hace un mes
Aiden W
Aiden W

Stop being lazy and learn some piano!!!!!!! You will be surprised how far just practicing your scales can get you!

Hace un mes
C O
C O

Is this guy fucking serious ? with that EDM sounding shit in the middle of the video ?

Hace un mes
Tamber Squirrel
Tamber Squirrel

Wow! This was very informative! Thank you! May I ask, will LMMS work for techno music production?

Hace un mes
Tamber Squirrel
Tamber Squirrel

@Underdog Electronic Music School Thanks!

Hace un mes
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

Never used it but I'm 99% sure it's totally possible.

Hace un mes
Ruben Nielpha
Ruben Nielpha

Hell, I thought it was a joke....

Hace un mes
paradoxe
paradoxe

technoblade?

Hace un mes
shestakovach
shestakovach

Incredibly interesting. It’s funny, I’ve always been interested in western classical music and EDM but I’ve never thought about how theory could apply to dance tunes. It’s clear that the character of the sound and production is paramount and it’s very interesting to see aspects like these discussed, it’s not something that comes up so much when I learn about classical music

Hace un mes
Wioleta Wnorowska
Wioleta Wnorowska

Actually, there are no "illegal notes" - there are notes out of scale - the cherry on top If used consciously

Hace un mes
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

For sure, you're 100% right about that. I just try to (over)simplify so people grasp the foundation, and then can build on that as their understanding deepens.

Hace un mes
TX-606
TX-606

Use accents. Use accents. Use accents.

Hace un mes
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

I wanted to make a really lame joke about English language accents, but then I figured I might accidentally offend someone 😂

Hace un mes
Arthur DM
Arthur DM

By any chance do you know how to produce aggrotech?

Hace un mes
Arthur DM
Arthur DM

@Underdog Electronic Music School yes it’s a very European genre

Hace un mes
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

Didn't even know this genre :) sounds like you want to mix your techno techniques with a lot of guitar amp sims and metal vocal screams :D 🙏

Hace un mes
Dan James
Dan James

No no none of that

Hace un mes
Wade B
Wade B

Its impossible to not think of Their Will Be Blood when detuning oscillators!

Hace un mes
ShellWave
ShellWave

This is helpful. Starting to experiment with techno music.

Hace un mes
Find The Acorn
Find The Acorn

In addition to distortion - reverb and delay are always great for beefing up a synth. Reverb can kind of smooth out distortion as well if it's too harsh. I know it's probably an acquired taste but I also love the Arabian type scales.

Hace un mes
SirMiluch
SirMiluch

9:25 it's more like a gabber or other hardcore styles that didn't originate from techno tbh. Not to mention that modern techno is mostly an uninspiring boring trash. Really. Peak of techno was in late 90s and early 00s. A lot of creativity was put into this music back then. And it's not just my nostalgia, because I was like 8 years old back then. Modern techno is a crap. Also, I completely don't agree with you about synth and drums usage. DRUMS are the foundation of techno, anything other is just an addition. If you want to make interesting techno track, you need to experiment with drums - modulation, filters etc. And no, techno is not dark by the default at all. It's the opposite. Really. Please listen to founders of this genre. Of course there are darker techno styles like hard techno, industrial techno (real one, with offbeat bassdrum and sounds of machines, which is completely different than what many people thinks of industrial techno nowadays) or schranz, but techno was never dark by default. Please watch documentary called "High Tech Soul: The creation of Techno Music". You'll understand why techno was never meant to be dark by default.

Hace 2 meses
Kalib M.P.
Kalib M.P.

The principle of techno (3:49) is the same like of propaganda: If you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth at some point.

Hace 2 meses
Александр Селюгин
Александр Селюгин

Ничего не понял. Говорит, говорит, а потом какой-то график под музыку показывают. Как техно сыграть на пианино, если играть на пианино не умеешь? Думал объяснит. У меня пианино есть и техно нравится.

Hace 2 meses
Doge FTW
Doge FTW

Why he look like Johny Sins

Hace 2 meses
Troy Hall
Troy Hall

Just wanted to throw this out there: music theory is frequently thought of as a set of rules. The better way to think about it is that music theory instead explains why things sound the way they do. If two bits of music have the same explanation, they will have the same kind of sound. If you like the sound of one, you will like the sound of the other, and music theory will be an explanation as to why. It is entirely possible that there is another theory of techno. It's totally fine that it incorporates some of the explanations of what you like in classic western music. And it is ALSO totally fine that it says that some kinds of dissonance sound good in techno.

Hace 2 meses
Underdog Electronic Music School
Underdog Electronic Music School

100% agree 😌✌

Hace 2 meses
Samuel Castelli
Samuel Castelli

Great video, very interesting. Thanks!

Hace 2 meses
ghtkings
ghtkings

Audio Realism Bassline is the better choose for 303

Hace 2 meses
Andrew Venegas
Andrew Venegas

No. That’s trance. Most original techno had to do with oscillators, the mistakes and difficulty of it being in key using analog machines. Most techno was made by mistake. Computer program Robotic music is what he is explaining. Thats homogenized jargon.

Hace 2 meses
george reason productions
george reason productions

Very cool

Hace 2 meses
C.Ø.D
C.Ø.D

I was wondering if you have to use ableton for techno music as i have been using fl for years now and all i see on youtube or any producers i know using ableton, i do eventually want to swap to ableton live at some stage but i want to stick with what i know for the time being

Hace 2 meses
Jacob L
Jacob L

1:30 it's funny to think "You don't want happy results" for techno, but it's true, as it's a darker sounding genre

Hace 2 meses
SirMiluch
SirMiluch

It's really not. It depends what you want to achieve. No, techno is not dark by default. The opposite in fact.

Hace 2 meses
everyday learning
everyday learning

The Prodigy... the memories.

Hace 2 meses

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